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Draft ACCG meeting minutes from 11/20/13

Amador Calaveras Consensus Group

Meeting NOTES

November 20, 2013 – 9:30am – 12:00pm

Location:  Veterans Hall, Hwy 26, West Point, CA

Meeting Facilitator:   Katherine Evatt

Color Key: Previous meeting action items in yellow      new action green       agendize red







Agenda Item



Participants Introduction

Cathy Koos Breazeal,   Kendal Young, Aaron Rieffanaugh, Peter Zaragoza, Vincent Campa, Rueben   Childress, Leland Meyer, Amy Rocha, Bill Haigh, Susan McMorris, John Hofmann,   Pat McGreevy, Marc Young, Matt Waverly, Katherine Evatt, Gerald Schwartz,   John Heissenbuttel, Tim Tate, Robert Smith.


Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes – approved


Status of Active Action Items

  1.    Follow up Sierra Forest Initiative in Plumas;   brainstorm ideas for barriers to success; get ideas to Trystan.  B Sanders assist.    TABLED
  2.   Buena Vista   biomass/CBD follow-up; Sanders/Wilensky TABLED
  3.   Monitoring work   group – K Young   send Doodle poll PENDING
  4.   Umbrella   insurance for contractors (similar to NRA gun clubs) Heissenbuttel PENDING
  5.   Veg severity   map, post 1987 fire plantations & percentage of private lands on Rim Fire   – (need to source from Becky Estes when available) PENDING


ACCG Work Groups


  1. A.       Admin Work Group –  C Koos Breazeal
    1.    Workgroup Update:  Online reporting form for Cornerstone   Project report reviewed : due to Kendal by 11/25; defined loaded pay rates;   contact made for grazing presentation; admin conference call hosting;
    2.   December meeting   cancelled per consensus
    3.   Facilitator   assignments reviewed/confirmed:    January 2014 – Peter Z; February 2014 – Rick Hopson; March 2014 –   Susan McMorris; April 2014 – Teresa McClung; May 2014 – Kendal Young.
    4.   Meeting   location schedule – odd numbered months in Jackson, large conference room GSA   building; even numbered months in West Point.


B. Planning Work Group –  Kendal Young

1.  Workgroup update; annual CFLR report; Power   Fire scoping draft document   reviewed.  reviewed 4 Next Step Points;  concurrence recommendation to continue   through scoping process – AGENDIZE   EARLY HERBICIDE DISCUSSION  scoping 45   day process, then still time to discuss.     Cathy will continue contact with Dan Macon for grazing presention.  * CONCURRENCE   OF GROUP

*CONCURRENCE  TO PROCEED ON CORNERSTONE REPORT w/ REVIEW   – Kendal send quick turnaround and move forward.

2.  Upcoming meetings schedule  — MONITORING WORKSHOP JAN/FEB – 3 days   either week of 1/19 or week of 2/23


C. Finance Work Group – P. Zaragoza and S. McMorris

1.  Workgroup status; function of group

SUSAN /PETER – reviewed   diagram provided by Katherine.  Need   clarity on MOA functions listed – assist with fundraising (how is that   defined?  Can be help with grant   writing, letters of support; Kendal would like a dedicated group in case of   deadline crush; assist with accounting and auditing issues – how would   this work since no funds come through the group?; J Hofmann – could be   in-kind reporting to Cornerstone; Susan – can see managing that database,   keep fiscal reporting material in a database.    Determine financing requirements for ACCG initiatives.  Katherine – CFLR was a collective   action; J Hofmann – also did Wilseyville master plan.  Address other questions of fiscal   transparency & accounting  ACTION:   Form   ad hoc committee consisting of each work group lead and review MOA roles.    Bring recommendations by  March meeting. (Katherine wishes to be part   of this ad hoc committee)


D. Operations Work Group – J Heissenbuttel

1.  Repercussions of federal shutdown on local    contracts:   Amador thin and Amador WUI at Silver lake   cancelled due to shut down.  FS   employees were made whole, but contractors lost hotel and other expense money   in addition to lost work wages.  Will   contracts be reoffered for next year.    MARC – contracts still existing, maybe given time extensions.  Will not be completed this calendar   year.  SPI – MATT – SPI losses –   thousands of dollars of logging equipment moved off jobs, lost flow of   supplies and materials to mills and biomass plants.  Lateness of year compromises ability to   extend.  SMITH – he can’t keep   contractor group together because FS still doing business as usual, allowing   bidding all across country.  Need an agreement   similar to White Mountains  stewardship   agreement.  J HEISSENBUTTEL – we still   need to define “local”. 

2.  Insurance umbrella coverage follow-up from   September meeting.  AGENDA Continue to another meeting

3.   ACTION    Schedule January meeting with contractors   and contractoring officers (Heissenbuttel/Hopson)


Open Roundtable Discussion:  Rim Fire implications, local effects on   contractors, mill availability – All

TIM TATE/MATT   WAVERLY  – displayed Ponderosa pine   slice – bark beetle larvae, blue stain; does not affect integrity of wood,   but bought at lower dollar rate.    Specialty niche market.  Started   Ramsey last week.  White fir sample   displayed – checking, split; smaller white fir will break down quicker. 

KATHERINE – how long are   contractors scheduled to work on your projects?  TIM – SPI can react to fire faster than   FS.  They have been logging for a   couple months already on company lands and will finish up next year.  The sooner the better that they get their   timber taken care of. 

KATHERINE – saw log   components on FS lands – will anyone even be available or should FS in next   year look at other projects since workforce not available.

MATT- FS needs to   continue with work.  Currently they   have put a halt to all other green-type projects so there will be a gap when   this salvage is done to pick up green type sales.  Fire affected a number of contracts in   process.  Chance that SPI /FS projects   will be cancelled.  They like to lay   out projects 3 years in advance, but fire will cause them to reset those   timelines. 

KATHERINE – workforce   impacts?  MATT – don’t want that to   happen.

TIM – worst thing FS can   do  post-Rim is assume enough wood for   3-5 years; will not be the case after 2014.    They need to continue with green timber sales through fuel reduction,   etc as if Rim fire never happened.     Should increase creation of fuel breaks around WUI’s and broader   landscape of national forest on strategic ridges so we don’t have another Rim   take place.  Rim is the best   argument  that FS is not doing   enough. 

KATHERINE –   environmental community would agree with that. 

TIM – in terms of   workforce, folks harvesting fee timber (SPI owned) there has not been any   draw for Rim salvage – they were using all same contractors – just moved them   from green activities over to Rim fire for good chunk of season next year.  These are contractors that already work for   them year in year out.  Not big impact   to contractor base that would be working on Cornerstone.

HOFMANN – how is log   buying ability impacted? 

MATT – his job is   division forester for mill purchases of logs from FS and private; he manages   flow.  TIM manages fee lands and   resources of SPI – he sells logs to Matt.    He is one of 3-4 sources of logs that Matt manages flow. MATT – no   additional contracts this fall on green logs based on priority of their own   burned logs, but will continue to buy FS and private as they can.  Other markets are taking some logs as well.

TATE – fee timber   recovery around 35-45% this calendar year.    Rest capture as early as can next spring.  As that winds down, there will be a   substantial amount of timber from FS on roadside hazard ops.  FS will offer off road sales later in   year. 

PAT – did plantations   hold any better than clear cuts – TATE – they were out building line that Sat   ; by Wednesday the fire burned 87,000 in 40 hours.  Fire indiscriminate as to what stands   arevdestroyed or not.  30-year old   plantations after Grant Fire – SPI & FS – some thinned, some pruned, some   fared well, some annihilated.  Tens of   thousands of acres of resilient old growth forest now completely annihilated.  

MATT – the key is   management on ground – you can’t stop fire, just slow down and give defense   point.  

ROBERT – Re Rim Fire –   how is FS helping locals –he heard 800 acres out for mastication  but the bid was too high so they are doing   in house.  Kendal – contact Dave Horak.

TIM – 4 entities working   for them now are Amador or Calaveras based.

PAT – asked SPI when do   you replant?  TIM – some sites are   prepped and ready to receive trees in Feb/Mar.  Do a little this year, complete most   Feb/Mar 2015.  In 1.5 year all   harvesting and replanting done on Rim.


Additional Discussion Items


  1.    LOCAL BENEFIT RESEARCH  – Katherine Evatt –  ACCG has spent over a year working with FS   attempting to get an MSA-type document.    She is researching groups across the country.  Stewardship contracts give FS great deal of   flexibility and can weight the local benefit score and can define local   benefit very differently.  Many   contacts tell her we need an MSA.  What   is local benefit?  She has talked to   Jim Branhan and Barney Gant at length on the topic.


  1.   MOU Contract   between ACCG & USFS, update —   J Hofmann  – 4 items to address:  inventory and survey local capacity;   we had several contracts last year that   went unbid by local contractors.  So we   could have a 100% local requirement, but they don’t bid.  What excludes them from bidding?  MOU – there are 5 elements – purpose,   mutual benefit and interest, mutual agreement how to operate.  Mutual benefits and interests section is a   critical part – what will ACCG do, what will the FS do?  What is our obligation to them?  Come up with alternative? KATHERINE   MOU between ACCG and FS – we were directed   there instead because FS will not do an MSA.    They will bring content to the group for review.  If we have an MOU umbrella we can do MSA or   programmatic agreement.  There is a   programmatic agreement currently between FS and CHIPs to work on cultural restoration.  That has moved ahead.  Other things have not moved ahead.  We need a full ACCG meeting to determine   why are we at this table if some run business as usual. 

PETER   – this is a heated discussion about putting local people to work; what is   occurring due to lack of MOA umbrella.    Many here have no other way of making a living – how does one   survive;maintain  culture; provide for   future generations; education; a number of universities have an interest in   ACCG but we need to put puzzle pieces together.  We need to act upon this professionally but   collaboratively. 

KKE commit date to bring back to group   – early   next year.


  1.   Mokelumne   Avoided Cost Analysis & Environmental Benefits Program – – KATHERINE –   being finalized for  release early   January.  Big rollout.  Upper watershed change – website to list   projects – put on hold for many policy reasons.  Now just building basic website with   information and house avoided cost documents and mapping.  Underfunded
  2.   SCALE –   KATHERINE for Wilensky – 3 CFLR collaboratives in  CA.    Kusel, Gant, Dinkey, Craig Thomas, Branham & Wilensky have met.  Still have $45,000 in funding to work for   SCALE – need matching commitment.    Response by end of year.  Needs   a non FS home for this program so not institutionalized.  How to benefit local.


ACCG Partner Reports


  1.   Brief updates   from those in attendance –
  2.   Kendal –   introduced Aaron Rieffanaugh – he will be monitoring emails; IDT meeting   January ; West Calaveras Thin EA out soon
  3.   Amy – deadline   for EQIP  ended Friday; have 4 forestry   apps w/in all lands ACCG area.  Special   initiative due to Rim.  Non commercial   and range.
  4.   Rueben –   fundraiser to buy a raft for Moke River, perks for contrib.; participated on   MAC IRWMP plan.  Call for projects –   need a few more environmental projects – maybe some from ACCG?  $8-10 million possible.  Prop 84 funding;  implementation, not planning.   Fish “bus” cage transports fish right in   the river to the San Pablo


  1.   Upcoming   Events/Meetings/Conferences
  2.   TIM – UC   extension workshop of road maintenance – Jamestown Susie Kocher SNC coming to   Jackson 12/4 tour 12/5 meeting at Jackson Civic Center.  Tour still forming.



Adjourn – Next   meeting in Amador County January 15, 2014, Amador GSA conference room    


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